editor victoria’s comment ~ he does indeed say Mike Spence. here’s a link to the original video. go to the 21:00 mark to hear him clearly refer to VP Pence as “Spence”. i also listened to most of the video (as i wanted to find exactly where the interviewer refers to Pence as Spence) and i have to say – Pence looked uncomfortable. stiff. his right leg moved and twitched a lot. he does not look nor sound like the same man from the previous campaign of 2016. he looks almost like a, dare i say it, clone..?
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